102. What To Focus on During Chiro School
Spencer Dupre (00:00.662)
Yo yo yo everybody, what is up? Welcome back to another episode of the What Now Podcast. I got some episodes to edit and post. I'm gonna do that after this. We got some good ones in the lineup. I guess you'll be listening to this after that. So it's good. What's up, Zach?
ZT (00:14.659)
Damn right we do.
ZT (00:18.873)
What a do, what a do, boo boo.
Spencer Dupre (00:20.822)
Yeah, we were just talking about, got your drinks? What are you drinking?
ZT (00:22.792)
I got my drinks ready to go.
ZT (00:27.427)
I got my element with some creatinine and then just creatine. Just putting in kidney, kidney disposal in my, in my water. No element creatine. And then we got our Dutch Bros ice annihilator. Cause I'm a real coffee drinker. So I get Dutch Bros.
Spencer Dupre (00:30.84)
creatinine.
Spencer Dupre (00:46.062)
What's like the hype around Dutch Bros? I'm like...
ZT (00:50.185)
I, it's the only drink I get there. It's not the only drink I get there. I don't know what is the, can't tell you the ingredients in it. other than coffee and probably milk of some sort, but, it just, it just tastes good. like the vibes of Dutch breads. also listened. if you're, if you're an entrepreneur, if you're, you know, owning your own practice, a really fun podcast to listen to is called how I built this with Guy Raz.
Spencer Dupre (00:51.212)
I couldn't tell you the last time I got-
ZT (01:19.329)
He does it like documentary style and he had Dutch the one of the bros of Dutch bros on. And that was a really cool episode. He had a Dutch bro. but here in their store, it was pretty cool.
Spencer Dupre (01:25.806)
He had eight Dutch for it.
Did I?
I couldn't tell you the last time that I've had chain coffee. Like anywhere not local. I couldn't tell you. Like I don't even get Starbucks at the airport. Like Kate is like, I'm going to get Starbucks at the airport. I'd rather just not like I'll just drink water.
ZT (01:52.803)
Yeah, I'd rather just grab that white monster.
Spencer Dupre (01:55.298)
Dude, the white monster, listen, caffeine energizes you. Caffeine gives you energy. It energizes you. The white monster charges your soul. It charges your DNA at a cellular level. It's something different.
ZT (01:58.457)
You
ZT (02:10.701)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. I'm pretty sure studies show that it activates dormant stem cells in the body for radical healing.
Spencer Dupre (02:20.91)
I heard that it just helps you reach your full potential. Something about that white monster, it's been a long time since I've had a white monster, but something about it is just different. It's like, know in Space Jam, when it's like Michael's secret stuff, that's what was in it. White monster. How do you think they beat the Monstars? white monster. white, zero monster, different beast.
ZT (02:42.467)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. White monsters are great. Yeah. White monster.
There was a time in chiropractic school, maybe this is why I had like pretty bad depression, but I was drinking like two or three white monsters a day.
Spencer Dupre (03:00.366)
I was just straight to the bang. I remember that dude. I was like the 350s. That's crazy Like that's just what I want to say is like that's crazy. It's a crazy amount of caffeine To like hit those on the regular like that's crazy. It's Anyway, what do you want to talk about today, dude?
ZT (03:15.127)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think that's actually kind of a segue into what I did want to talk about. And this was a question posed by one of our listeners. But what were things you felt were important in chiropractic school that you wish you could go back and tell yourself, stop wasting time on that. And then vice versa, what are things you wish you did more in chiropractic school that you didn't realize was going to be as important?
Spencer Dupre (03:27.224)
great.
ZT (03:52.845)
So I pose that question to you. There it is.
Spencer Dupre (03:53.646)
Dude, that's a good question. That's a good proposition. Good posing. Alright, dude. Let's see. So many things, dude.
ZT (03:59.694)
Yeah.
ZT (04:07.703)
I can let you think since I've had some time to think if you want me to answer first.
Spencer Dupre (04:09.73)
Yeah, what are things that I thought were important in chiropractic school that I feel like is not important today? Explaining the adjustment to someone?
ZT (04:19.811)
Like you thought that was important.
Spencer Dupre (04:19.84)
Validate. Yeah. People are going to want to know all about chiropractic care. Like the philosophy of chiropractic. Dude, I love the philosophy of chiropractic. I love like all the principles and all of these healing concepts. And I love all of like the philosophical background behind it. And I think that those are foundational, but I think once you have the foundation, like you don't need to be like quoting BJ Palmer.
ZT (04:25.601)
Mm.
Yeah.
ZT (04:46.809)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (04:47.31)
Not everybody that's gonna walk through your doors is gonna become a chiropractor in the end of the day. Nobody's getting ADIO tattooed on their body. I think you should. I think for you to... I think the moment that you buy volume 14...
ZT (04:56.697)
this should.
ZT (05:02.381)
Right in the brow, right in the brow line.
Spencer Dupre (05:05.025)
Wow. To create the unibrow. It's the bridge. It's the missing link. Yeah. I think like all of the chiropractic lore that like, know, like you go into those practices and like, this is your practice, like I love you just saying that, like it, there's no shame into it, but I just think from a customer success standpoint, like when you go in to.
ZT (05:07.097)
Yeah.
ADIO, ADIO, run the, yeah.
ZT (05:20.003)
Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (05:35.532)
the office and like everything in there is chiropractic, everything. You know, like I have chiropractic posters, I have chiropractic books in the office, but like I don't have like the mugshot of BJ and Didi on my wall. You know, like that's cool if it's in your office, but like it doesn't need to be in like the exam room or like, know, like those kinds of things. I thought I used to think that that was super important. Like I used to think that people wanted to know about like the principles of innate intelligence and all of those kinds of things.
and telling them that from the book. I used to think that was super important, like, people are gonna wanna know this.
ZT (06:11.193)
I got, I got to know principle 16, just in case someone walks in and asks, you know, I've heard the first 15 principles. Can you tell me principle 16?
ZT (06:27.257)
Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (06:31.682)
Yeah, I'll have to mull it over.
ZT (06:32.505)
I mean, I think for me, I kind of second that. think...
I think in that same like, and maybe it's like, maybe it's a rite of passage. Because I feel like every chiropractor does this and will continue to do this, but like that, the initial need when you start to learn the truth about chiropractic and then like having to just explain that and share that with everyone and just like shove it down people's throats. Hoping that they see the big idea just as much as you do. Like I think that's
in a sense, important because I think it teaches and ingrains your conviction. And at the same time, I feel like I wasted so much time. Just like not learning other things or not engaging in other things like if it wasn't straight to chiropractic, I wasn't I wasn't down to listen to it. I think you can learn. So much from anyone, whether it's straight, vitalistic chiropractic or it's there, I say like a.
Spencer Dupre (07:35.159)
mechanical.
ZT (07:36.373)
R2P seminar. Like I remember being, I think I was a year or year and a half into practice and I went to a Parker seminars and I just went to some like low back pain care thing. And I was like, wow. I learned a ton. None of this is rehab. It's all just been like science and like research that I can now take my practice to instill my conviction. So it's like keeping your mind open.
regardless of what side you're on, vitalistic or mechanistic, to really learn so you can better care for your patients and not just being super pigeonholed into one versus the other. But I think that also takes time. I can hear you now.
Spencer Dupre (08:13.346)
Yeah, can you hear me?
Spencer Dupre (08:18.574)
I got the whole reconnecting thing, but yeah, dude, think that like dying on the Hill of chiropractic, is why I say this. And like, you if you don't agree with this, honestly, just, I mean, this is how I feel on the show and it's my show. not to say like, this is my show, you can get out of here. But I think, if you're going to spread any message, you need to be spreading the message of Jesus Christ and anything that makes it more about me and less about
Christ I think is getting in the way. And so I would rather just tell people instead of being like, hey, did you know that the body has an innate intelligence, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
Spencer Dupre (09:17.646)
chiropractic as the hero and I was positioning myself as the hero to inflate my own ego versus actually telling people the true message that actually matters, which is, you know, by your faith you are healed. And it's not necessarily that healing in the physical body happens strictly through faith in Christ, but the deepest healing that we can get is on a spiritual level.
And that changes everything. changes your self belief. It changes your self perspective. It changes what you think is possible in your life. And that's the main message that we are trying to convey at Empower. And it doesn't even have to be a religious thing. But I realized that I was making, I was saying my faith was the most important thing, but I wasn't sharing it. And I was sharing more through chiropractic and I was sharing more about Dee Dee Palmer in the green books than I was sharing about the Bible. And that's probably my most important thing. All that being said,
is I think that like I thought that chiropractic would have to be like the hero in the story. And when you look about branding and brand positioning, one of the things that really matters more is making the person in the story, the hero. know, Don Miller talks about it in building a story brand. And what we want to do is position ourselves as the guide, the person that leads
the hero in the story to their own solution. And that's where you really get to like create transformation in people. The biggest thing like that I was telling our team like at Empower is that at Empower our goal is to not empower people to chiropractic or even empower people to healing is we really wanted to empower people to transform their lives. Like we're empowering transformations. Like that's purely what we're doing.
Like I used to come, when I came in here, I was one way. When I left, I'm totally different. And that's like telling people what Christ did for us on the cross in an open way that's not like pushy, telling people the power that God has designed the body with to heal and be whole and to let them know that they have community around them. And I think with those three things, you can really literally transform anybody's life from above down inside out. And so I think that the chiropractic principles
Spencer Dupre (11:36.906)
are all secondary to the way that Christ has called us to go and make disciples and followers for his message and for the truth in the gospel. And yeah, think that's what I thought. I thought chiropractic was going to be probably the most important thing in practice, and I was probably wrong about that. I would say that for me at this point in my life, sharing the message of Christ is the most important thing. And you can do that without being a preacher, and you can do that without Bible thumping people.
And I thought that you couldn't have both.
ZT (12:06.999)
Yeah. Yeah. I think too, just to add on top of that, just for someone listening, it's like, well, how do I do that? Maybe without spreading, without just consistently speaking the Bible over someone. I mean, a big core value at within and I'm sure it's similar at Empower is, you know, if you were the only Bible someone were to read that day or that week, like would they would they see the life of Christ through you?
Spencer Dupre (12:10.242)
So.
ZT (12:37.265)
And so that's just like a big thing. And like, I think that's something I would have worked on more was like how to embody that and like how to really embody kind of the vibration or kind of the energy or the the self identification maybe. That's probably not the word, but like how to embody that through all aspects of practice, not just like
while adjusting someone, but also in conversation, in the intake, in progress exams, like doing all of that. So, yeah.
Spencer Dupre (13:14.786)
Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing is like, one point when I was like studying a bunch of stuff chiropractic wise, like I felt like I was super agnostic to the gospel for a little bit. And that like really was challenging for me because I was saying like, man, like Christ is like, well, God is every like all this kind of stuff. And this is like a whole different like theological discussion that we don't need to have on the podcast. But I mean, to honestly answer your question, what what did I think was going to be the most important thing?
when I came out of school that I now know is not the most important thing. I thought that chiropractic was going to be the most important thing in practice and it's not. The most important thing is to live the life that Christ has led me to and that changed everything, dude. I got way more peace. I became a lot more successful. We saw better results. The more that I invited Christ into the practice, you know, because to live is Christ and to die is gain.
ZT (14:11.769)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (14:13.754)
And that's what I thought was the most important. And I thought that spreading the message of chiropractic was going to be more important than anything else, and it's not. so, I mean, that's probably what I would say. That's probably the more overarching probably answer.
ZT (14:23.097)
Yeah.
ZT (14:30.777)
Which is so fun. mean, just just to get on like a chiropractic philosophical conversation. Like one thing I just thought of is like. We I don't if we were taught, but we definitely had a sense that like. From teachers, like if your patients don't understand chiropractic, then they won't be able to heal or be able to. But then that same token, like we would talk about, like your body has an innate intelligence, you have to get educated out of the way. And so it's like, OK, well.
If we have to get educated out of the way, why would I educate them even more so that they're thinking even more as their intelligence was healing? So it's just like you find kind of. And I know you can pick apart holes and in different ways, but it's just a very interesting concept that I think a lot of people teach.
Spencer Dupre (15:14.382)
I think the biggest hole
I think the biggest hole in the corner of chiropractic that we came from, like the vitalistic philosophical side, is that we lean too hard on the philosophy and not hard enough on the science. And chiropractic is a philosophy, science, and art of things natural system of adjusting the segments of the spinal column by hand only for the correction of the cause of disease. Basically, there's a way of thinking, there's a science behind it, and there's an application to the system of taking pressure off of the spine that helps the nerves work better.
I mean, that's, that's all we, that's pretty much what we do. And so like, if you don't have a system and it's not natural, meaning like not supernatural, but also not like artificial, then you're not practicing chiropractic. If you don't have good philosophy, like if you don't understand the body was designed to heal, like without drugs and surgery through and over the nervous system. If you also don't understand that applying a force to the joints in the spine creates mechanical transduction, which
stimulates nerve flow and releases nerve pressure. and you're not good at it. I think that you're missing, like you're falling short of chiropractic. and it's just a, like, it's a natural thing, which means that it occurs naturally in nature by hand only, which like, there's a bunch of nitpicking stuff that I could get about the philosophy of chiropractic because literally the definition of chiropractic says it's a natural thing yet so many chiropractic
ZT (16:40.601)
You
Spencer Dupre (16:44.652)
So many chiropractors make it supernatural. The thing that's supernatural is the fact that God designed the body for this to even be possible. It doesn't mean that you are performing spiritual work. It means that you are using the potential that God has given you in your body to facilitate the philosophy, science and art of chiropractic that exists only under his creation. And you gotta be good at it. you gotta, I think you have to understand. And I think that like,
a lot of people like take something and run with it, which that creates dogmatic thinking, dogmatism. And I think that's also just as bad for the profession because like, if you think that like, all I gotta do is toggle C1 and this'll change the way somebody squats. Well, like you also have to look at like nutrition, you have to look at exercise frequency, you have to look at all of these kinds of things. I think chiropractic is foundational in everyone's health. You cannot live.
ZT (17:18.126)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (17:40.554)
and heal through a dysregulated nervous system, point blank. But that doesn't, but a well adjusted nervous system is not going to fix poor nutrition. A well adjusted nervous system is not going to fix your lack of exercise. And a well adjusted nervous system is not going to fix your poor self image of self worth. And so like, now the people around it can empower you to better nutrition, better exercise, better.
ZT (17:44.216)
Hmm
Spencer Dupre (18:08.494)
self-worth and all of those things. I think chiropractic is the foot in the door and it should be foundational.
ZT (18:14.713)
I mean, I definitely think it's the foundation for sure.
Spencer Dupre (18:16.91)
and
I think that everyone should be adjusted consistently for their entire life, for sure. Now, does that mean that's the only thing you have to do? No. And I think that a lot of our profession thinks that it's that. And I also think in the, in the exact
ZT (18:30.649)
Well, it's like the classic classic joke from our brother, our brothers up north at Palmer and Davenport. I would hear all. I mean, it's obviously a joke, but it's like, man, doesn't matter if I'm smoking a pack, a pack of Marlboro Reds once a day or if I'm, you know, polishing off a 12 pack of Bush light as long as I long as I'm adjusted, you know, my health is going to be in shape. Obviously, it's a joke, but that's just like there are some people that take it to that extreme.
for sure.
Spencer Dupre (19:00.27)
Yeah, dude. And I mean, I think it's the exact opposite too of like a lot of our profession is crazy because like literally anybody can get into it, but not everybody can pass. But if you're smart enough to pass, you can make it literally anything that you want because chiropractic is not medicine yet. We have the same ability to practice like pretty much everything except surgery and prescriptions. And it's crazy, dude. The scope of chiropractic is so wide. And I was telling
our new Dr. Haley, she, her boyfriend is in medical school and we were just talking about this and stuff like that. think one of the biggest issues in our profession and why the public eye is so confused about chiropractic is because, there is no like specialties in chiropractic. It's just, you're just a chiropractor because chiropractic doesn't treat or diagnose any conditions yet. We all specialize in treating and diagnosing certain conditions. And so it's like a really like.
ZT (19:47.833)
Thank
Spencer Dupre (19:57.61)
hard, like it's because of the Wilk versus AMA, like the committee on quackery propaganda campaign that like came out. It puts us like in a really difficult position in the public eye as like people who do everything yet nothing at the same time. And like since, because like there is no like legitimate certification of like, besides like the, the CACCP and all the stuff through the ICPA, which like carries almost no weight in the public eye.
ZT (20:02.425)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (20:27.032)
There is no like, I'm a pediatric chiropractor. I'm a low back specialist chiropractor. When they have this on all these other things. And that's why it creates such like discourse in our profession because like, don't see like osteopaths and MDs, like you don't see DOs and MDs like coming for each other's neck in the same way that like chiropractors do. So it's like a really tough, and I think that like,
ZT (20:30.873)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (20:51.062)
Honestly, think Stratton Poulsen on whatever podcast he was just on, like I just saw some clips on his Instagram, but honestly, like Stratton, if you listen to this show and you listen to this episode specifically, I think that like some of the stuff that you said on that podcast was like some of the most like well articulated explanation of chiropractic that I've heard for our generation a long time. And so it was just, it was really, it was really well articulated. So it was really good.
ZT (21:16.599)
I too, I mean...
I was going to say something along that lines of like, I think there at least for me, there was a moment like in school, I was very like, I'm not going to diagnose anyone like, which I still believe like, we don't diagnose people as chiropractors. But at the same time, I like found myself in, in practice, trying to figure out like, okay, like, what's going on with this person. And then I just came to like, came back to kind of the roots of chiropractic and had a patient come in.
He's got tinnitus in one ear, deaf in that same ear. He gets dizzy, migraines all the time, this and that. And I remember like coming home and kind of sharing that with Morgan, who's also chiropractor, and she's like, what do think is wrong with him? And for the first time in long time, I like, just think he's severely subluxated. Like, look, take a look at the scans, the way his body felt. I was like, well, like I'm getting back to myself in a sense of like to my roots. But at the same time, I
Don't think that I think in school, that was just my generic answer to not like go deeper into studies, because I think you need like the combination of both, if that makes sense. So it's not like you can't just like rely on the philosophy because there have been moments where someone is severely subluxated, but there's fric time else going on where they might need to be referred out. And then once they're they're ready and clear or whatever that means, they come on back.
And then you clear the subluxations and things are gravy.
Spencer Dupre (22:49.666)
Yeah, what?
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the issue is that on the philosophical side of chiropractic, you just say the correction of the cause of dis hyphen ease. And all we work with is dis hyphen ease on the other side of chiropractic, whatever you want to call it. The like subluxation is stupid and chiropractors are, I don't know, whatever side of chiropractic, the performance side of chiropractic, you know what I'm talking about? I think the dogmatism on that side. Yeah, whatever. Well, don't, either way.
ZT (23:16.769)
I think it's the mechanistic.
Spencer Dupre (23:21.996)
Whatever label you want to put on. See, this is the issue is that like we try to put labels on stuff that don't need labels. But on whatever other side like is, it's like, no, it's only the diagnosis and it's only what are we treating and this and that and this and that. And it's only the disease, the pathology, the symptomatology, the et cetera of whatever that is. And I think that the profession just as a whole needs to meet in the middle and say, Hey, I understand that chronic dys hyphenase, chronic nerve interference.
pauses pathology, disease, you can truly diagnosable condition, facet strain, lower back pain, radiculopathy, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And so like you have to understand like, okay, like there has been so much dysfunction in the system that it's causing this diagnosable condition. So like, what do do to work backwards from that? Well, first we have to get you out of the dis hyphen ease cycle to stop that progression.
And, at the same time, dude, it's like, man, maybe like, we need to get you out of this acute chronic conditions so that your nervous system can actually heal. there's, dude, there's all kinds of ways, bro. And that's why I love like what we have going on at Empower with the physical therapy and the functional medicine is that like, they just work on people's chronic pathology and I just get to make their jobs easier. Cause I just work on clearing the nervous system.
ZT (24:23.481)
Hmm
ZT (24:43.597)
you can focus.
Spencer Dupre (24:50.882)
and then everything else kind of falls into place. And what's crazy is that like, just saw like a post from another PT and she's like, had such a great weekend at the manipulation seminar or whatever like that, like literally learning adjustments at a PT seminar. it literally, like BJ literally wrote it in the green book saying that like the doctor, the like,
ZT (25:03.513)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (25:15.136)
Literally everyone in the chiropractic profession is going to try to move away from chiropractic and everyone outside of chiropractic is going to be moving toward chiropractic. And it's like, it's literally happening like as they wrote, like it's unfolding exactly that. And I think it's because there's so much discourse.
ZT (25:28.889)
Well, I think, I think to have had, I'm sure we both have had very similar conversations. And it seems, especially in our area where there is such a abundant amount of chiropractors, people have had quite a few chiropractic experiences. And when you talk with them, like, I mean, a question I typically ask, in every consultation, if someone has seen a chiropractor, like, is there anything you liked or disliked about your past chiropractic experience?
More often than not, if that person and this isn't to bash by any means, but it's just more from like, this is what I'm hearing from real life people in practice is like, well, it just felt like I was I was there for 30 minutes. I got like a really like decent adjustment. then I was on the stem and the roller and this and that. And I'm like, OK, like you feel like it helped. Like, well, I'm here. Like, OK, well, we don't do stem. We don't do any of that. Like we're going to adjust to you and they're going to be great adjustments.
Spencer Dupre (26:05.091)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (26:26.745)
And so I don't want to have the message come out of us saying like, I don't think either of us would ever say we spent too much time on our craft or on our chiropractic adjustments. I think that's definitely something that sets us apart in practice. And at the same token with that, one thing I wish I had spent more time doing, and there are plenty of docs out there that will
take you on to do this is I wish I found ways to be at screenings for docs, not for like to get better at screenings. But I think when you're in a screening scenario, it's one of the few times. At least in school that I can think of that you would get to talk chiropractic to an actual person and not just your friends, but like whether that's a screening, wherever that might be, like finding yourself where you're looking to connect with someone on a one-to-one level and
bring them into a clinic or, you know, whatever that looks like, get them into, into student clinic will be so helpful because it makes you realize that you can't just talk our chiropractic jargon to someone off the street for the most part. Like it's just not going to work. Like you got to actually connect with that person, understand what's going on with them and this and that. I think that would be something I wish I had spent more time doing. so that there wasn't such a steep learning curve in practice of like,
I can't just talk chiropractic like off the rip.
Spencer Dupre (27:57.122)
Yeah, to answer like the back half of your question or like your proposition, if that's what we're calling it, is like, you know, what did I think was most important that I found out is less important is I think that to the doctor, to the practice management, to the team, the philosophy of chiropractic is super important. To the patient, it's less important. The selling the transformation, communicating is more important. So then my answer to the back half of the question, what do you think was least important?
ZT (28:19.033)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (28:26.966)
What did you, what I think was least important that I think is the most important is communication of what you do. And I'm just blessed to be able to literally just be like the analogy guy. can literally just explain chiropractic to anyone using any analogy at any point in time. And, so I'm really good at that. That's probably like what sets me apart most like from anybody else. I can literally just tell you like, well, it's like this and,
That's probably the most important thing and not lot of people know how to do that. I think I was telling Haley this the other day, yesterday. There's a difference between being the person that adjusts someone and being someone's doctor. And I thought that in school, like, I'm just a good adjuster. People are going to flock to us because we're great adjusters and stuff. That's true. Like some people will come because you're a good adjuster. But the thing that keeps people around is that you're a good doctor. And
ZT (29:18.243)
Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (29:25.55)
Being a doctor is listening to people, connecting to people, giving people honest and easy solutions and being real. And that vulnerability, the reason that the way you get people to be vulnerable with you is to first be vulnerable yourself. And that's probably the most important thing that makes a good doctor a good doctor and a good adjuster a bad doctor is are you willing to be vulnerable enough to actually do that?
I think that's what raises your PBA, builds your community, and all of those things at this point in my experience.
ZT (29:58.519)
Yeah, and I think I think to that point, as important as it might be to explain chiropractic in under a minute or whatever we used to do, especially as delts, I think also being able to articulate and simply share your story and like why you are a chiropractor is something I wish I had spent more time doing in school. One, I mean, I'm grateful as much as like it was.
hard to go through, like just my story becoming a character. Like, I'm grateful that I had such an experience that at least for the people I see, like connects at a deep level. But I've also worked really hard on explaining that and sharing that in 60 to 90 seconds. And like I have a certain tone and like the way I say it is very repeatable.
And so that's another thing I would work. And you can do that with, friends, with family. and if you don't have a story, that's why I think it's also important to go shadow. So you can start to see things in offices, that you're like, wow, like I really got to connect with that person and see like their transformation. So spending decent amount of time in a clinic is just as important to.
Spencer Dupre (31:18.988)
Yeah, chiropractic is all about connection and communication, yet we don't connect with people and we don't know to communicate. And so we're like, that's the hardest part of being a chiropractor is the connection piece of like how chiropractic works and people being good enough communicators to actually communicate what it does in a way that's acceptable and digestible to the public. Because like you have on one end, chiropractic
ZT (31:33.219)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (31:47.382)
Like people are saying like, it doesn't matter. Like just get people in the door. Then they'll learn. then like out in the public, they're like chiropractic cracks your back in place. And like, like I ask a lot of people and be like, Hey, what do know about chiropractic? And they're like, well, when you're well aligned, everything works better. So then I'll ask, what does it mean to be well aligned? I don't know. Everything's where it should be. Like, okay, that's true. Yes. The segment of the spine like should be in the proper position, but what really matters is the, is
what is being affected when they're out of position. And that's just the nerves. Like, it's great. Like my house should be well taken care of. My house should, like all the lights should work in the house. But the issue is, is like when the lights don't work in the house, why? It's the power source. All right, the power is just cut off to the house. Like nobody would buy a house. You wouldn't be like, hey, I'm gonna spend half a million dollars on this house and then not go and set up the power with the local.
ZT (32:35.001)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Spencer Dupre (32:46.766)
Energy provider. Like I also know power is just a big box pretty much. Right? Like.
ZT (32:52.739)
Crazy people used to live like that like 200 years ago.
Spencer Dupre (32:55.266)
Yeah, exactly, right? mean, yeah, right? But it's really, I the power that ran the house was your physical effort, right? And which, you know, that's a whole different story. It's not the best analogy, but still, in this day and age, right? Like a phone with no software is just a brick. It's just a piece of plastic, like not worth anything. It's computer, you know, all that stuff. So, I mean, that's most important part, but I mean.
ZT (32:57.219)
some candles.
Spencer Dupre (33:24.364)
At the end of the day, think like what matters most is do you have a message that you can get behind that you can communicate without feeling like you're lying to people? And I mean, I think that's the biggest thing too. Like, mean, a lot of people, they're like, I'm doing this script and yada, yada, yada. I'm running this practice management system and my practice still sucks. Or like a, in Steph's expanders group, there's a lot of people that are like, dude, I followed this practice management thing to the T.
ZT (33:42.126)
news.
Spencer Dupre (33:53.934)
And I would like this one girl, she's like, yeah, by the end of my second year, I've seen 500 a week by myself, me and one CA. She's like, I was making a ton of money and I hated my life. And it's like, that's great dudes. A lot like so many people are talking about like, it's never about volume. It's never about metrics. It's all about value.
ZT (33:58.297)
Hmm.
Spencer Dupre (34:15.982)
You can see a hundred a week, have a beautiful life. You can see a thousand a week and have a miserable life. You can see a hundred a week and be miserable and you can see a thousand a week and have a beautiful life. It depends on what you want. It depends on what you're called to. And I guess, okay, probably in a more tangible thing besides like the whole Christ thing, which is not anything just to glaze over. It's super important.
ZT (34:23.511)
or you can see it. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (34:42.324)
I would say that the thing that I thought was most important is my metrics. How many are you seeing a week? How many new patients do you have? How many adjustments are you doing? How many blah, blah, blah, blah. All of that stuff I thought was super important is probably least important.
ZT (34:47.673)
Hmm.
ZT (34:58.937)
Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (34:59.864)
The that is most important is what I want out of my life, what vision do I want to set, who do I want to be in my community, who do I want to be for my family. Having a good vision I didn't work on. And I had good vision in school.
ZT (35:12.323)
Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (35:14.744)
but I didn't work on it as much as I thought about like, how many do I want to see? What do I want to collect? Like all that stuff.
ZT (35:21.133)
Yeah. Yep. Good. If there's any and if there's anything that you're like, hey, I feel like I'm spending a lot of time on this. I don't know if it's the right thing. Shoot us a message. Like, let us know. I won't. I don't ever want to be the person like don't spend your time doing that. Spend your time doing this. Like I think it's it's all about figuring out who you are. But I think there's definitely a lot of things that we can at least have a point in the right direction. So definitely feel free to message us.
Spencer Dupre (35:24.876)
Yeah, I guess that's.
Spencer Dupre (35:46.316)
I think, yeah dude, if you wanna like, okay, let's just go really quick. What are like basics? I'm talking like foundational basics.
ZT (35:57.187)
Camera school.
Spencer Dupre (35:58.56)
Just no, just in general, do like, like basics to work on. I would say self-worth and identity.
ZT (36:05.433)
Relationship with Christ, Self-worth and identity number two. Vision.
Spencer Dupre (36:10.328)
Yeah.
Self-worth and I, yeah, vision. Well, I think that comes from self-worth and identity, right? Like, because like you can't have a vision if you don't know who you are. You can't say this is what I want. Like, because vision.
ZT (36:23.277)
Yeah, that's what I said. That's what I Vision number three.
Spencer Dupre (36:26.616)
Yeah, this is who I am, so this is what I do. Right? This is who I am, so this is what I do. That's basics. Right? Work on yourself. Work on your communication. Work on your, like, honestly, work on your adjusting skills and work on your business skills. Like, I mean, those are foundational. Like, you don't need to worry about your metrics. You don't need to worry about your...
ZT (36:28.825)
For those that can't see the video. Yeah. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (36:56.494)
What other therapies are you going to do? You don't need to worry about. I mean, my office was like rinky dink and ugly and I still like saw a bunch of people in it and like, so you don't even worry about your office being great. Don't worry about your stats. Stats are a byproduct of your alignment with your efforts. Like there's all kinds of things. But yeah, I mean, basic business knowledge, basic chiropractic knowledge.
ZT (37:17.667)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (37:25.826)
basic skills, self-worth and identity. That's really where it's gonna take you the longest. Those are like, I think the biggest pillars of a successful practice. Leadership and team, it comes back to your self-worth and identity. So, your golf swing, your yardages.
ZT (37:37.923)
Yeah. Yeah.
ZT (37:44.761)
golf swing report, especially if you were golfing prior to chiropractic school, don't go through three and a half years not swinging, because you'll be, it was rough. I went from being on the chiro games golf team to hoping I'd break a hundred. Life comes at you fast.
Spencer Dupre (37:52.76)
years.
Spencer Dupre (38:02.392)
Hey, this is what's important. This is what's important. What's in your bag? What balls do you play? What's your handicap? And your yardages.
ZT (38:11.353)
Yeah, that's the important stuff. Those are the metrics that you should be concerned with.
Spencer Dupre (38:15.682)
Yeah. Yeah. The biggest, the biggest metric of success is your golf handicap.
ZT (38:22.017)
Now, how far you drive the ball? Then you're handicap.
Spencer Dupre (38:23.982)
Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. How far do you carry your driver? And handicap? What irons do you play?
ZT (38:30.029)
handicap.
ZT (38:35.309)
how many times are you three-putting around?
Spencer Dupre (38:37.688)
That doesn't matter, dude. That doesn't matter. Nobody counts the putt.
ZT (38:41.611)
Once you're, you will, you will. Once you start three part enough, it becomes a fun metric to count.
Spencer Dupre (38:44.174)
Mm, nah.
Spencer Dupre (38:48.001)
Anything inside a 20 feet is a gimme.
ZT (38:51.449)
You're right. You're right.
Spencer Dupre (38:52.366)
If you're on the green, it's a gimme.
ZT (38:55.363)
How many weenies can you demolish at the turn?
Spencer Dupre (38:59.822)
A. The quantity of dogs downed with the boys is a true measurement of happiness. Alright guys, thanks so much. And how often do you listen to our show? Thanks so much for listening to our show guys. Yeah, this is a one. This is a good one. is a good one. Alright guys, we'll see you guys later. Peace.
ZT (39:08.429)
It is. is.
ZT (39:13.443)
Yes. And how often you share it. Don't be a ho, share the show.
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