99. Is Chiropractic Going to Change in the Near Future?
Spencer Dupre (00:00.718)
Yo, yo, yo everybody. What is up? Welcome back to another episode of the What Now Golf Podcast and Chiropractic Podcast. Slowly, slowly getting you guys used to listening to more golf content. Dude, what I've realized though is I think like everyone's got the golf bug right now. I guess cause like Rory's Masters was like so good this year, like that, I don't know, dude. I feel like golf is like the thing right now.
ZT (00:13.753)
You
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Mm-hmm.
ZT (00:26.521)
I want to think too, just like, especially for our friends, you're no longer in school and can justify three, four hours out on the golf course.
Spencer Dupre (00:35.298)
But like, yeah, but I just like, in terms, like a lot of our patients are like, dude, I'm just getting in the golf. I'm just getting in the golf. I'm getting in the golf. Like, I think that's pretty cool, man. And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that like, I feel like the economy is up right now. The weather in Dallas has been nice recently. Like it just hit a hundred this weekend and nobody's scared of COVID anymore. So like people are going out and do things.
ZT (00:40.665)
Mm.
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Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
ZT (01:03.769)
Yeah. I think I saw like post like from 2021 till now there's been like a 600 % increase in golfing.
Spencer Dupre (01:12.11)
Dang. Yeah, I don't know what's making golf cool, but it's been fun, dude. It's been fun. So chiropractic is next. Everyone's going to be going. We're in the chiropractic renaissance, which I really do think, dude. I really think that we're coming up close to the chiropractic renaissance, where chiropractic will become like foundational health care for a lot of people. Because, well, dude, Abbott, we're in a health renaissance for sure, 100%. Abbott, the governor of Texas, whether you like him or not,
ZT (01:31.459)
think you're right.
ZT (01:37.283)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (01:41.208)
just signed a thing that banned Texas from producing lab-grown meat. So like that's sick. Eat more food.
ZT (01:46.829)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (01:50.659)
And he's also close to passing a bill that like companies like Kellogg's, General Mills, their ingredient lists will have to be the same as Europe, which would drastically change all of America. Cause Kellogg's and General Mills is not just going to make their Texas specific food and then make all the other 49 states. That'd be huge too.
Spencer Dupre (02:08.962)
Yeah, it's gonna, yeah. I think, yeah dude, we're in a health renaissance. I think that RFK Jr. is, I'm a fan dude, I'm a fan. I'm a fan not, like, I'm a fan because a lot of their policies directly affect the health of a lot of people. And whether you vote red, vote blue, vote upside down, or left or right, whatever, all those things, I really could care less about like the actual politics of things.
ZT (02:28.057)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (02:38.932)
What I care about are, are we being intentionally poisoned or not? And this is not like a health pod. It is a health podcast because we're chiropractors, but like, you know, we're not necessarily like a political podcast, but I think that anybody, no matter what, their economic policies, no matter what, their worldview policies are. It's the health of the people. Like we shouldn't be, we shouldn't have to be scared of what's going to give us cancer. It, the food that we eat, like we should be able to just eat food like.
ZT (03:04.547)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (03:08.588)
and not get, not have like disease, you know? So I think that we're in a health Renaissance. think that the collective of people are ready for it. And I think that the collective of administration just across the nation are kind of coming to like a unanimous, like it is better, better to be healthier.
ZT (03:11.203)
Mm-hmm, 100%.
ZT (03:32.291)
Which is crazy. ever were not thinking that way. I think too, you're seeing it with like, I mean, in and out, I'm sure there's other fast food companies, but like in and out, they're cooking all their food and tallow or their fries and tallow. so you're seeing that even in fast food, which I feel like when we're starting to see it at that level, it's a, it's a huge sign that things are changing for the better.
Spencer Dupre (03:34.646)
Yeah, like, well I-
Spencer Dupre (03:54.542)
Yeah, well, mean, I think too, like, whenever you just use healthier ingredients, you also open yourself up to a market of people who actually care. Where, like, if you use crappy ingredients, like, I'm at the point where now it's like, nah, dude, they use seed oils there, like, I'm not really trying to eat there. Where, like, you lose business. Where people who, like, don't care about seed oils or not, they don't care. So, like, they're gonna eat your food, whether it's fried in car oil or seed oil or tallow.
ZT (04:02.553)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (04:23.392)
Whereas, yeah, they don't really care. They're just like there to eat. so like, whereas people like us, we're like, I'm gonna pick the healthier option. Like you just open yourself up to more market, you know.
ZT (04:32.504)
which I mean, coming from, I don't know if I've shared this on the podcast, but my town in Connecticut, where I grew up, it was illegal is not the right word, but, like a franchise or a franchisee could not come in and open a fast food restaurant. So we didn't have McDonald's. didn't have Burger King, Wendy's. was none of that in Trumbull. and so I was almost a little shell shocked, like coming into Texas and every corner.
There's water burger. There's like, if you drive two miles without some form of fast food, it's almost concerning. You're like, what's wrong with this town? and I think we could potentially see a trend in that direction over time.
Spencer Dupre (05:13.294)
Yeah, I think I saw like a statistic probably on like Instagram reels like late at night one day that it's like impossible for you to go anywhere in the United States and not be within a hundred miles of a McDonald's. Yeah, I don't know. But I think that like, yeah, I think that we're in the health revolution. I don't know why we're talking about this, but I think that we're in like a health Renaissance, but we're also in a golf Renaissance. So I'm taking my first lesson this Friday, which will be the draw of the fourth and
ZT (05:23.554)
I believe that.
100 % believe that.
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There you go.
Spencer Dupre (05:43.072)
Yeah, I'm all self-taught up until this point. And I broke 100 the other day on my own. And straight up with drops and everything. So I only took three drops the whole round. so I'll take it.
ZT (05:55.341)
That lesson would be huge. I still, I'm still on the self-taught, self-taught train. So, yeah.
Spencer Dupre (06:00.162)
Really? Didn't even take you a lesson. It's pretty sweet. So, what's up, bro? What do you wanna talk about?
ZT (06:07.705)
I think, mean, one thing that I've found, I know we talked about like our perspective a couple of weeks back and staying on that, that health train. know early on for me, I was almost nervous to ruffle feathers with some of my like views and beliefs around, know, seed oils and like, like, was just like, if I can get them walking daily, like that's a huge win. Um, but I think over the last year, I don't care. So your thoughts here, like what has been your conviction and sharing?
on top of like the chiropractic story, but also like the optimal health story with your patients. Like, will you call them out? if they're noticing, if you're noticing things like that, aren't in a healthy alignment or how do you go about that?
Spencer Dupre (06:53.243)
so like I'm primarily, I mean, we primarily see like kids, babies and moms. And so like.
ZT (07:00.387)
That's true.
Spencer Dupre (07:05.122)
So like a lot of our families are not, especially because like we see a lot of like first time families or like mom with the second kid who had like a really hard first kids. They're like looking for help in the second one. That's kind of like where we probably fall. And it's a delicate line. Like we talk about it all the time because a lot of these parents are not looking for optimal. They're looking for easy. They're looking, they're not looking to opt very, I would say very few.
ZT (07:15.993)
Mm-hmm.
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Mm.
Spencer Dupre (07:29.6)
of our families are truly looking to optimize. I would say it's probably like less than 15 % of our families are here because they're like, I want optimal health. A lot of our families that we're seeing are looking for, they're like, there's too much going on in my life and I need someone to help me out with this. And there is like a ton of people hearing a ton of noise from all kinds of things because like,
ZT (07:36.206)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (07:55.842)
When you have a baby, everybody has an opinion on how to raise your baby, apparently, which like we don't have a baby at this point yet. But. Like even when you have a business, like everybody's always like trying to tell you like this is you should run your business. So like I couldn't even imagine like what it's like when you have a kid and everybody's trying tell you what to do with your kid. Like, I mean, on the golf course, like literally like you're playing and like I was playing with some random the other day and like.
ZT (08:16.601)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (08:23.886)
I like swung the club. He's like, dude, what if you try this? And I was like, it's not that I didn't want his advice. It's just the fact that like, yeah, it's just unsolicited. So I feel like everybody's given a lot of the parents like unsolicited advice. So like we try to like toe the line of like giving unsolicited advice and being like bringing awareness to things. So all that being said is that I don't necessarily will be like, yeah, mom, I think that you need to stop the formula.
ZT (08:30.102)
is unsolicited.
ZT (08:52.889)
You
Spencer Dupre (08:53.294)
Will or like, yeah, you should probably not eat Chick-fil-A ever. A lot of times we'll just ask like, is that something that you want? Are you okay with that? You know, what do you think? I'll just say like, what do you think about that? And how do you feel about that? Do you feel like that's the best option? Like, this is the big one, dude. Like, for baby formula. And like I said, I don't have a baby, but I know a lot about baby formula. But.
Moms will be like, yeah, baby's like really colicky, like constipated, has a rash, not sleeping at night. So I'm exhausted and all those kinds of things. they're like, pediatrician says that the baby's allergic to my breast milk. And so I need to feed them formula.
And I'm like, okay, how do you feel about that? And he's like, well, like everything got a lot harder after we started the formula and like the baby's super unsettled and all those things. I'm like, okay, well, like, do you think that the baby is truly allergic to your breast milk? And she'd be like, well, like, I don't even know what that means. I was like, okay, well, like, let's just think of this from like the, sometimes like, it depends on the parent. Like sometimes I can be kind of crude and like, kind of like, or, sometimes I need to be like, really like PC, political, like political about it.
But in the general sense, I'd be like, well, let's think about this in the dumb way. If your body built this baby from the ground up, why would the baby be allergic to your breast milk?
Like, do you think that your body, like, intentionally was like, hmm, you know what we should be able to do? We should be able to build this thing and not feed it.
Spencer Dupre (10:28.302)
Or do you think that maybe there's something in the breast mode that the baby can't process at this time? Like maybe ultra pasteurized dairy, highly processed seed oils. maybe the baby is just saying, hey, this is upsetting my tummy, right? Like if I eat sour food and my tummy hurts after, do I have an allergy now to, I don't know.
ZT (10:41.337)
Yeah.
ZT (10:55.235)
Sour foods, so sour patch kids. I know, yeah.
Spencer Dupre (10:56.856)
Well, no, not sour foods like I'm saying, spoiled foods. Let's say I eat a four week old chicken leg with mold on it. And I'm like, hmm, maybe I think I'm allergic to this. I must be allergic to chicken. Or maybe it's like, maybe my body is telling me, low key, that's poison. So that's kind of the conversation that we have to have. And it's trying to walk parents to make that decision for themselves. Because like,
ZT (11:05.837)
must be allergic to chicken.
ZT (11:16.59)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (11:25.526)
At the end of the day, everyone is just trying to do their best. And I think like in the chiropractic profession, we can get very accusatory and very like attacking, like your pediatrician sucks. Your orthopedist just wants to cut on you. All those kinds of things. Do they really? Probably not. They really just want to help. And that's just the way that they know how to help. So it's just like bringing people's options to their awareness. That's kind of how we're looking to take people along.
ZT (11:43.769)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (11:54.898)
journey. So like when kids are drinking Gatorade, right, there's all kind of food dye, a lot of sugar processed crap in the Gatorade, even the Gatorade zeros. So we're like, hey, do you like giving them Gatorade? We'll just say those kinds of things. We're like, do you feel like that's the best option for them? They'll just say that. And they're like, well, I mean, that's kind of like what everybody does. And then they'll ask, do you know of a healthier option? Be like, yeah, well, we actually have Element. It actually does the exact same stuff at Gatorade. There's
more natural sugars and there's electrolyte, like good electrolytes in them and there's no food dye. Plus you dry store them so they last forever. They don't take a ton of space in your pantry. You can bring them wherever you go. And one pack makes 40 ounces where one Gatorade is only 16. So you're really getting like almost three Gatorades for the price of the pack of one L.
And they're like, whoa, I never thought about that. And it's like, yeah, there's a ton of value in this. So like, that's just an easy swap. And like, it's literally, you just like pour it and shake it. Like there's no difference. Like there's no plastic waste. Like all across the board, it's just better than Gatorade. You know, so like we do those kinds of things. Like same thing, like when baby's like on Infamil, Gentle, Similac or something like that. Like these like brands, it's like, well, like if you look at the ingredients, it would basically be like feeding your baby Cheerios.
ZT (12:56.921)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (13:17.497)
Hmm.
Spencer Dupre (13:17.73)
And like, you want to eat Cheerios every single meal for your life? Do you think that that would hurt your tummy if all you ate was Cheerios? And they're like, no. They're like, okay, so if we need to gain a little bit of weight, then sure, that's fine. But we don't necessarily, why would we want to, we would never say like, yeah, eat all Cheerios diet. But that's what we tell, we say to do for two years for babies. And then wonder why their tummy's all upset all the time.
ZT (13:42.403)
That's crazy.
Spencer Dupre (13:45.675)
or why their skin has bad issues or why they can't sleep at night, those kind of things. So it's like, what about a healthier option? And so that's kind of how we bring people. So very long-winded answer.
ZT (13:47.865)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (13:56.845)
great. I mean, that's especially for all those on the pediatric side. That's huge. Cause I don't know half of that stuff. So.
Spencer Dupre (14:04.856)
Well dude, just about healthier swaps, like what can you do to be healthier? It's the same way, like dude like, Zach, hey I'm frying in canola oil, what should I do?
ZT (14:09.273)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (14:13.273)
Butter, tallow, coconut oil. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (14:16.876)
It's the same price. like literally you're like, you're getting so much return for the same price. It's the same effort to frying coconut oil. It's the same effort to cooking coconut oil. It's the same price to cooking coconut oil and coconut oil. Yeah, it has healthier fats. It stores solid at room temperature and it
ZT (14:22.549)
Mm-hmm.
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If anything, it tastes a little bit better.
ZT (14:34.905)
It's got medium chain triglycerides better for your brain.
Spencer Dupre (14:38.102)
It has a lower smoke point, so there's no free radicals. You have to use less of it, and it doesn't dirty as easy. All of that stuff, dude. So it's just like, there's just so much more return. And I'm a big bang for your buck kind of guy.
ZT (14:43.445)
Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
ZT (14:55.289)
Give me that coconut oil.
Spencer Dupre (14:57.004)
Yeah, dude, like stuff like that, you know, like same thing with like the caraway pans like that we have like they're ceramic. There's no Teflon. They cost the same price basically as the Teflon pans. They last forever. You can like they heat super well like cast iron. They don't stick like nonstick pans like it's just it's just a win overall. Same thing with like wooden utensils, less bacteria. You know, you having silicone on there like they wash just as easy. They're cheaper.
ZT (14:59.065)
you
Mm-hmm.
ZT (15:16.088)
Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nice.
Spencer Dupre (15:29.41)
A lot of people just don't think about that because they're just like, well, this is the easiest thing to do.
ZT (15:33.913)
That or, mean, one thing I'll just a question I'll, I'll ask like more for the adult population. Cause I'll get like the, well, like my mom did that. And so that's what I do sort of thing. And, like, well, it's just my genetics. And I'm like, and sometimes I have to tow that line. I'm like, is this going to be rude? It's just going to upset them. But I feel like more people genetically, like it's, just the habits that you picked up from your parents. And that's what I'll tell a lot of people is like,
It's not genetics. It's the habits that you guys have unfortunately created. and that's where we'll talk about what kind of oils are you using? what are you drinking? Like, I mean, I see not so many patients, but quite a few patients. And I mean, it's as simple as how much water you drink. It's like, I have a glass with dinner. Like, are you drinking the rest of the sweet tea, diet Coke, Coke zero.
Spencer Dupre (16:26.444)
Yeah, and then they're like, well, my dad had kidney stones too. What did your dad drink? You know? It's like, that's why a lot of times people ask, like, dude, I think it's genetic. well, moms will say like, baby has a milk allergy. I think it's genetic. Do you have a milk allergy? No. Does the baby's dad have milk allergy? No. Does the baby's grandparents have milk allergy? No. Okay, well, it's not genetic.
ZT (16:29.975)
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
Spencer Dupre (16:53.068)
It's probably not genetic. The odds of it being genetic is very rare, right? It's the whole like learn, what is it? Yeah, nature versus nurture, those kind of things. well, my dad had a bad back, so I have a bad back. Well, did your dad exercise? No. Did you exercise? No. Is your dad overweight? Yes. Are you overweight? Yes.
ZT (16:56.963)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (17:03.233)
Nature versus nurture, is that? Yeah.
ZT (17:11.865)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (17:15.68)
Heh.
ZT (17:20.281)
It's just that easy.
Spencer Dupre (17:22.178)
You know, yeah, a lot of times these are learned habits, right? It's like what you cook for Thanksgiving. This is kind of how I'll break it down, right? Like when we're talking about like environmental factors like that, I'll say like, okay, what do you guys typically have at Thanksgiving? And they're like, well, we have turkey and we have mac and cheese. Okay, well, I have gumbo and pot roast every Thanksgiving, like that's the thing. That's not genetic, that's just tradition. That's just the way that it's quote always been.
ZT (17:33.198)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (17:41.977)
Yeah. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (17:47.54)
So if I eat the way I've always been, if I move the way it's always been, if I use the products the way it's always been, and those products affect my body, well, and those lifestyle habits affect my body. That's not genetic, that's tradition. That's habits that you've picked up. And people will be like, you know, I never thought about that. Yeah, like.
ZT (18:04.387)
You know, I have the habit, I gotta clean my plate. You know? Gotta make a happy plate. you know, gotta see what animals underneath there.
Spencer Dupre (18:07.786)
Yeah, I gotta make a happy plate.
Spencer Dupre (18:14.254)
Yeah, for those of you guys that don't know, if you ever saw the zoo plates, my babysitter used to the zoo plates. I don't know if I ever had the zoo plates, but it's just the paper plates that have the animals on them.
ZT (18:18.637)
Big Zoo Play family.
ZT (18:26.329)
It was...
Yeah, it was a good meal. See if you have a panda, see if you have a lion. Frog was up there, yeah. Yeah. But that was, I mean, that's genetic though, so. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (18:34.926)
So yeah, mean, that's kind of like, zooplates are genetic. That's true. They're going to make a comeback, man. That's 90s core. early 2000s core. Yeah, but okay. So, but I think it's the same way in business a lot of times too, right? Like, especially with like our money mindset, like when we're talking about these things.
ZT (18:47.545)
I'm surprised I haven't already.
Spencer Dupre (18:59.382)
It's a lot of times it's about perspective and that's why it's good to have conversations like with other people. It's why it's good to listen to podcasts like this so you get other perspectives. It's why it's going to be in coaching groups like the Wealthy Practitioner says you get other perspective. Dude, especially the Wealthy Practitioner. Like talk about that a little bit Zach. What's the difference between a practice management group and a coaching community?
ZT (19:06.019)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (19:19.15)
I mean, I personally, I don't think I've been in a practice management group. have you? No.
Spencer Dupre (19:26.99)
I would say yes. I would say yes because like I, yeah, I'll give you the definition before them. I don't want to name which ones I've been in because they may or may not be listening and I don't want to like feel like I'm bashing them, but I'm not, cause I'm not.
ZT (19:42.005)
Yeah, I mean, I guess I've kind of been. It's so I feel like to me the difference practice management, they know one way. And if you try to ask anything different, it's like, well, why would you ever do that? Like just do it our way. and if you're not doing it that way, or even if you are doing it that way, and for some reason you're not successful, it's like, well, it's just a system. It'll take time versus something like the mastermind.
having so many different people from so many different practices, um, and even non-practices, gives so much more, um, insight and answers and, uh, experiences that people can share from. And it's not just like, and Steph has shared this, she's moving away from it. Just being like Stephanie Wigner, like you get Nikki, you get Gabrielle, Brandy, um, docs that been in practice for 10, 20 years. And so it's not like.
Spencer Dupre (20:33.272)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (20:41.251)
do it this way, this is the only way to be successful. More so, here are strategic plans that you can then tailor to yourself to be successful.
Spencer Dupre (20:51.468)
Yeah, I think that's that's kind of where I'm going with that is like the difference between like a coaching community and a and a practice management group. Practice management groups are going to be like a well, this is what works. And so you should do this. And this is like basically like building you into the systems. You can very clearly identify if you're in a coaching group or if not, if you can look on the map and be like, this is a this office.
ZT (21:20.483)
Hmm. Yeah, I get you.
Spencer Dupre (21:21.484)
Right? Versus like, cause you know what systems they're running. You know what their care plans look like, or if they run a care plan, you kind of know what the business model is just straight up because you know that, they're in this group. And I think that's a lot of nature versus nurture kind of conversation. It's like, well, a lot of times people will say, you know, nobody, like these are like these like cult kind of sayings.
ZT (21:28.686)
Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (21:48.302)
will say like, it's the same thing like, oh, well, my genetics are just bad. People will say like, well, nobody wants to pay cash or the only way to do it is go cash. You have to have therapies or you don't have to have therapies or subluxation or like philosophy is crap. Like all of these people, groups of people that yeah, like it's these dogmatic systems of thinking that you get stuck into that make you believe that your practice has been.
ZT (21:56.824)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (22:02.361)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. This dog.
Spencer Dupre (22:15.916)
genetically quote or naturally practices are like this versus you're just being nurtured into those ways of thinking or those ways of running the systems and stuff. you know, the only way to be profitable is to have no team or the only way to be profitable is to have all team or those kinds of things where like a coaching group is just kind of saying like, what do you want? Maybe here's some better options, you know.
ZT (22:24.077)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (22:33.529)
Yeah.
ZT (22:37.464)
Yeah.
ZT (22:42.905)
I mean, well, I'll announce in like a couple of weeks, like a change happening in our practice that had I been like a dogmatic practice management group, it would have been like, like never do that versus went with them with this thing we're going to implement. Like, wait, no, actually makes a ton of sense for your practice. Here's who I will connect you with. That's doing similar things. and we'll go from there.
Spencer Dupre (23:10.168)
Yeah, I mean, we talked about that and you were like, hey, like, I want to tell you this thing and I feel like you're going to judge me. Well, like, why would I judge you? Because like you have to do what's best for you. You know, it's the same way, like when families.
ZT (23:13.153)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (23:16.941)
Yeah. First, if we were in the same practice management group, it'd be like, Ooh. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (23:21.9)
Zach, you're going away from the system. You know, like those kind of things. And so I think that's the same approach, the same way that like we talk about people's health, we talk about with people's like, we should think about our business as well. And so when parents are like, dude, should I swaddle or should I not swaddle? It's like, well, dude, that's kind of hard. That's like saying like, should I drink water or should I not drink water? You know, or like how much water should I drink? Really the ...
ZT (23:36.099)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (23:46.713)
Yeah. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (23:51.148)
The closest conversation is when parents are like, what bed should I sleep in? It's like, well, that's like a hard question. That's like you saying like, what shoes should I
ZT (23:58.199)
Yeah. That's always the most like I've started to have a pillow that I would like a affiliate of. And I really like it. I slept on the same pillow for like eight years. and then all of a sudden we would get sent, sent like two or three pillows a year. and I wouldn't try them. just be like, I got my pillow and I was like, you know, I'll try this pillow. and I love it, but I'm so like, not nervous to recommend it.
because I have a 60 day guarantee, but I'm like, just cause I like a pillow does not mean you're going to like the pillow, right? This is what I'm going to recommend. This is what patients have liked. Same thing with a mattress. like, do you like a firm mattress? Do you like a more temper pedic? Like what's your style? Like that's not something I can just be like, yep, go get this one. This is the best mattress.
Spencer Dupre (24:45.954)
Yeah, well, and I think that we can do that with our patients as well. Like a lot of people, a lot of practices will be like, well, my chiropractor told me that these shoes suck. Or it's like, or my chiropractor told me that it's, I have to sleep on my back. Dude, do you really have to sleep on your back? Like you gotta sleep. But it's like, you have to.
ZT (25:01.921)
Yeah. I mean, I still have patients, I sleep on my stomach. I know it's bad. It's just how I end up. Like I try to sleep on my back. I started sleeping on my side and I wake up and I'm on my stomach.
Spencer Dupre (25:13.612)
Yeah, okay. And so we have to say like, what do we do to optimize for that? Right? It's like, okay, like is that healthy? The healthiest for your spine, right? Like, I mean, people will be like, dude, I know it. Like people will say this all the time. Like, I know that you're going to like give me crap for it because like I Chick-fil-A this weekend. Like, dude, why am going to give you crap for Chick-fil-A? Well, like you're traveling and like,
ZT (25:30.105)
I took this weekend too. Yeah. Well, I mean, like I was having this conversation by in-laws, especially because we see, and I'm sure you see parents like middle and high schoolers and they have their son is playing three tournament games on Saturday, but their daughter is across town playing in other soccer games. And it's like, it's like, okay, like we have 10 minutes on the drive from soccer to baseball. Like I can't go make.
all the food, like I could have prepped it. and that's what I'll typically recommend is like, if you have this coming up, like rather than being reactive, like try to be more preventative in sense. which I know I always say like, I don't have kids, like, you know, I'm sure this is much easier said than done. Maybe try to prep lunch. but at the same time, if all you can do is grab Chick-fil-A here are the options I would recommend getting at Chick-fil-A.
Spencer Dupre (26:27.064)
Yeah. Right. And so you have to just be like, okay, how can we get the, like, how do we give ourselves grace? But then also say, how are we going to move forward? Right? Like we will always rise to our potential and fall to our standards. And so like, if the standard is like, we don't eat out, then like, okay, well then you don't eat out. So that means that you're going to meal prep and you're going to do all those things. And so we have to, we have to be able to set standards that are good for us, that standards that push us forward, but standards that we can also uphold too. And so like,
ZT (26:40.792)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (26:48.249)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (26:57.164)
If we can't uphold the standards, sometimes there's a lot more inner work that we need to do, which is a whole different conversation. But it's like we have to be able to make better choices. And I think that it's going to be a lot easier to kind of bring it back to where we started. It's going to be a lot easier to make better choices because a lot of the like industrial health brands are changing because a lot of people are saying, no, my standards are changing. And so I will not interact with your brand because you do not meet my standards. So a lot of places are going to change there.
ZT (27:00.163)
Yeah. Yeah.
ZT (27:15.449)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (27:26.626)
ways of cooking, their products, what they hold. I think that's a good thing. I think that we need to be doing that in our businesses as well, saying, these are our standards. This is what we do. This is because it's what's best for you. Anyway, yeah, I think we're in an interesting time.
ZT (27:30.573)
Yeah. Yep.
ZT (27:44.289)
I think it's going to be huge from a health perspective.
Spencer Dupre (27:47.714)
Yeah, but I think like, dude, it's hard, it's like hard to be the doctor without like being dogmatic and it's hard to like, but you have to be like, you have to have an opinion, but let people make their own choices.
ZT (27:53.389)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (28:00.547)
But I think too, and I don't know if this might sound...
I don't this to sound bad, but like the fact that like you, like we've educated our patients and informed them in a way where when they are going through a Chick-fil-A line on a Saturday, they're like, my chiropractor is not going to love this.
Spencer Dupre (28:23.982)
I think that just means that you're like leading with fear though. Like if people are afraid to tell you or ask you questions, that means that honestly you're leading from a place of judgment. And what that means is that you haven't built a role of authority with leadership, you've built a role of authority through fear. And like.
ZT (28:44.953)
I wasn't meaning like they were like afraid to tell you, but in the back, back of their head, they're like, I know I should be getting something else. And so like, Hey, I went through Chick-fil-A. What could I have done better? Like what?
Spencer Dupre (28:48.109)
No, but-
Spencer Dupre (28:56.61)
Yeah, sure. But there's a difference between honor and a difference between respect.
ZT (29:00.055)
Yeah. I wasn't meaning as like they're going to like, they're like shaking in their boots scared. Yeah. Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (29:04.502)
You're gonna, yeah, well like you're gonna give me a bunch of crap for this. parents will say that all the time, like dude I'm sure that you're gonna give me crap for this but we blah blah blah. Like why would I give you crap for that? you fit, you know like, people will like say that, like I tell them like dude you gotta feed your family, right? What you feed your family is important but at the but at the grand scheme of things you have to feed your family. It's the same thing with your business, dude. Whether you...
whether you only adjust or you don't adjust, whether you do soft tissue work or you don't do soft tissue work, whether you take cash or you don't take insurance, like whether you take insurance or you don't take insurance, whether you do car accidents or you don't do car accidents. It doesn't matter what you do. At the end of the day, you have to run your business, you have to take care of people, and you have to build a life, dude. That's what's important. Do those things fall below your standards or do those things compromise your values?
ZT (29:31.576)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (29:59.026)
And that's the most important part. And I was telling this mom yesterday, she was like, the dad was like, well, like you should, like, you need to sell my wife on chiropractic care because I think that she needs to do it. And, she doesn't think that she needs to do it because she's pregnant and blah, blah. And I said, hey, listen, my job is not to sell you on anything. My job is just to give you enough information for you to make an educated choice.
Because also that's what I define as sales. Like sales is not convincing someone to do anything. It's giving them enough information for them to make a decision. And I think that we're out of integrity if we scare people into making a decision. And sometimes though, giving people like, if you don't do this, like this is the cost of not like at the end of the day, you could say, ah dude, seed oils or whatever. By the end of the day, if like research shows like at the end of the day, like it's...
ZT (30:32.461)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (30:45.847)
Yeah.
Spencer Dupre (30:52.91)
not healthy, leads to thyroid issues, leads to gut dysbiosis, it affects your nervous system, it causes free radicals, all of those kind of things. If you're okay with those outcomes, then by all means, do whatever you At the end of the day, this is the information that I know to be true. If you find other information, then sure, let's just talk about it. Based off of the information that I know, this is what you should consider when you're making this choice. It's the same thing with like
ZT (30:56.163)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (31:19.822)
moms feel like a lot of judgment around like vaginal birth versus C-section. And there's a lot of chiropractors that are out there that feel very strongly about having a baby in hospital or having a C-section versus a vaginal birth. At the end of the day, the baby needs to come into the world. Now, what are the benefits of vaginal birth versus C-section? What are the benefits between C-section versus vaginal birth?
ZT (31:24.567)
Yes.
Spencer Dupre (31:47.98)
And at the end of the day, you just have to be okay with the choices that you make based off of the information that you get. I know how I feel and what I would do, but I'm also not in their situation. And so like, if mom has a bunch of complications that are gonna put her life at risk and all of those kinds of things, like, are we gonna die on the hill of being crunchy and literally die? Or are we gonna say like, listen, like we're gonna get through it and I know what we're going to do to maybe counteract.
a lot of the adverse effects of whatever decision we choose. And I think like when you empower people like that, you give them a lot of the, you give the authority back to them to make a decision for themselves.
ZT (32:29.005)
Yep. Fully agree. I think too, like, I mean, like we just had a new patient yesterday and she's on the crunchier side, more holistic side. and I often don't see like many crunchy moms, but she was like, don't judge me for this. And I was like, Hey, like, I want you to know, like, I don't know what your other carpracters have told you or like done or like other practitioners. I'm by no means here to judge you. Like if you have questions, I'll do my best to answer them.
Spencer Dupre (32:30.69)
You know, it's the same way.
ZT (32:58.925)
But just share like your health history. Like I just, you know, I'm not asking these from a judgmental standpoint. I just need to know. and that sort of thing. Like, she was like, I had to, I had to have an epidural, like, don't judge me that there was no judgment that even remotely crossed my mind. Like, like, don't worry about that.
Spencer Dupre (33:19.532)
Yeah, I think like let's take it out of the chiropractic and health perspective and let's put it into a golf perspective because this is a golf podcast and you guys are going to love it. So.
ZT (33:26.233)
Yes, yes.
Spencer Dupre (33:33.454)
You got a drivable par four over water. What do you do? You pull out the driver or you pull out the iron and you lay it up, right? It's all about risk versus reward. Most people will tell you to pull out the driver, send the big dog out there, right? But like, the, let's just say like, okay, I have no control over my driver. I have no idea where it's going to go. Like I got to carry it 300 on my best swing.
Like one out of every hundred times I'll carry it 300 yards. Or I could hit an easy iron shot and give myself a better, like a better look at the green coming up later. You're most like, like all the memes and stuff are gonna tell you that you're a weenie for like not hitting the driver off of the T-box. But like I literally told Caitlyn, we just played, for those of you who aren't DFW, this isn't gonna really make a lot of sense, but we just play champion circle every time.
ZT (34:12.206)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (34:30.996)
on the first tee box, I try to hit my driver. It's my first swing of the day. I like notoriously slice the ball and there's trees like all off on the right with water. So like, dude, if I'm to go hit my first swing of the day and I'm going to start my round with the driver and slice it and lose a ball the first swing, that's a huge like, it's like a huge like L to my mentality. So I told Kate, I said, no matter what.
happens, you cannot let me hit driver off of the first tee box. I'm gonna hit my five wood. I'm gonna poke it out there for a little 200 yard shot. I'm gonna get a good look at the green. And you know what I did? Par the first hole because I don't hit the driver and I'm like weighing out the risk versus reward. Get out there, get a good shot. So I think it's the same thing with our health, right? It's like, dude, listen, I got to figure out what is manageable for me. I gotta be able to say like, dude, this is actually what's best for me until I can control my driver.
ZT (35:17.325)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (35:26.137)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer Dupre (35:27.298)
I'm not gonna hit it off the first t-box at champions.
ZT (35:29.495)
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you also shouldn't be playing from from the tips for quite a while.
Spencer Dupre (35:35.65)
Yeah, exactly.
ZT (35:39.555)
Nice. Anything else?
ZT (35:44.249)
I think that's it.
Spencer Dupre (35:50.348)
Yeah, I think that's all we got dude. So anyway, I just got a really weird text from somebody and so sorry, I kind of like was taken aback. anyway guys, hey, thanks for listening to us. really, dude, I really think we're all in like a really good space to like something big is coming that I can just feel in like the woo space, like spiritually, like I just feel like the world is about to like go through like a big change for the positive. Like I think chiropractors are gonna be on top soon.
ZT (35:57.689)
You're good.
Spencer Dupre (36:20.774)
and we're excited for you guys to be there. We're excited to do this thing and don't let anybody get in the way of you building and achieving your dreams. So let me know what you guys think and I will see you guys soon. Peace.
ZT (36:24.633)
Mm-hmm.
ZT (36:36.579)
Deuces.